Welcome to bewildered. I'm Martha Beck here with Rowan Mangan. At this crazy moment in history,

a lot of people are feeling bewildered, but that actually may be a sign we're on track.

Human culture teaches us to come to consensus, but nature, our own true nature, helps us come

to our senses. Rowan and I believe that the best way to figure it all out is by going through

a wilderness into bewildered. That's why we're here. You know, what I'm seeing out in the world

is a lot of fear and a growing amount of despair. Maybe you're feeling that way too, because the ways

our culture has taught us to navigate the world, to navigate our lives, they are failing us.

We need a new language. We need a new set of tools to find our way individually and as a group.

And I know we can still do this. I put everything I do know about it into wayfinder life coach training

and the tools that I teach there are to help people redefine how we relate to each other,

how we make a living, how we do community. We can only change the world for the better if we redefine

how we think. Registration is open for the fall and the world needs wayfinders now more than

ever. So please go to MarthaBag.com and you'll find your way.

Hi, I'm Martha Beck. And I'm Rowan Mangan. This is another episode of Be Willedered the podcast

for people trying to figure it out. How are you doing, Marty? I'm pretty good. I have a

tabricular cough, but I feel it adds to my mistake as a writer. Oh, absolutely. And you know,

if you die of consumption, all your books will become best sellers. And they'll do Amazon

series of me daintily holding a lace hand could shift to my face and coughing and then it zooms

in and there's blood on it. That's so true. But really it's just because I killed a bird and ate it.

I would never. I think other people kill the birds. Oh, no. This is terrible. How are you? How's your

life? Different than it was a couple of minutes ago. Yeah, it's good. It's good. I've been trying to

figure out, like, as always, trying to figure out how to be the loving spouse of someone with

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