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Alternate Realities: A Strange Bet

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4.811.8K Ratings

🗓️ 21 February 2025

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Episode 1: Reporter Zach Mack thinks his dad has gone all in on conspiracy theories, while his father thinks that Zach is the one being brainwashed. In 2024, after the latest round of circular arguments, they decided to try something new, an attempt to pull each other out of the spell each of them thinks the other is under. Can one family live in two realities?

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0:00.0

This message comes from the Dateline original podcast Murder in the Moonlight.

0:04.7

Join Keith Morrison as he tells the story of a couple murdered under a pale moon and an

0:09.8

investigation that includes four suspects and spans three states. Search Murder in the Moonlight

0:16.0

to follow now. Hey, I'm Kelly McEvers, and this is embedded from NPR.

0:23.1

Conspiracy theories have been a thing in American politics for a while now.

0:28.6

One study found that 35% of the country believes there is a single group of people who secretly rule the world.

0:37.2

One thing that worries experts is, right now,

0:40.0

conspiracy theories are getting more sticky because people in power are legitimizing them.

0:45.5

Politicians have been talking about QAnon, saying the 2020 election was stolen, that COVID

0:51.4

vaccines had microchips. These, of course, have all been thoroughly debunked.

0:57.5

In the lead up to last year's election, though, a massive amount of misinformation was amplified

1:01.9

on social media. Today, we're bringing you a story about a family that's in crisis in this time

1:08.5

of misinformation. Reporters Zach Mack thinks his father is being radicalized, and his father thinks

1:15.3

Zach's the one being brainwashed.

1:17.7

Last year, they took a pretty unconventional approach to try to pull each other out of the

1:23.0

spell that each of them thinks the other is under.

1:26.7

That year-long journey forced Zach to wonder if one

1:29.8

family can exist in two realities. By the way, this is a different kind of series for us. Because

1:37.2

their story is so personal, Zach's parents have asked us not to use their names, and you'll hear

1:42.1

Zach refer to them simply as mom and dad.

1:45.5

Before we get started, just a quick heads up, this episode contains explicit language.

1:50.2

Okay, here's Zach.

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