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Alternate Realities: A Question for Listeners

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News, Society & Culture, News Commentary, Documentary

4.811.8K Ratings

🗓️ 9 October 2025

⏱️ 2 minutes

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Summary

After we released Alternate Realities, hundreds of listeners reached out, sharing stories about friends and family members who had also fallen under the spell of conspiracy theories. Many of them had tried everything they could think of to get that person back... and failed.

Has anyone had success with this? If you or anyone you know has come up with an intervention or experiment or strategy that actually worked — please email us at [email protected]

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0:00.0

Hey, folks, it's me, Zach Mack.

0:02.4

If you are an embedded listener, you likely know me from a recent season called alternate realities.

0:08.1

Hey, Zach. Dad again.

0:10.1

In it, I talk about my father, who's fallen deep down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories.

0:15.2

You really want to store up two months worth of food and water.

0:20.0

I know, I know it sounds like conspiracy theory, but

0:23.0

they're going to do... We've been having these circular debates about his beliefs for years,

0:27.0

and then one day he did something that he had never done before. He presented me with a list

0:31.7

of 10 conspiracy theories that he believed would all happen by the end of 2024. Number 10. The U.S. will come under martial law.

0:40.2

At the bottom of the list was a challenge to a bet for $10,000.

0:45.2

If you haven't already listened, go check that out.

0:48.1

Anyway, after we put out the show, something surprising happened.

0:51.8

Hundreds of you reached out.

0:53.3

My inbox was flooded with people whose

0:55.3

friends and family members had also fallen under the spell of conspiracy theories. Many of them

1:00.7

had tried everything they could think of to get that person back and failed. And it got me wondering,

1:06.4

has anyone had success at this? What would it take to change someone's mind? I've been looking

1:12.8

into that question more, and today I want to ask you for your help. Have you, or anyone you know,

1:20.1

come up with some sort of intervention or experiment or unusual strategy that actually worked?

1:26.9

Did you try your own bet?

1:28.9

Did they talk to a psychologist?

1:30.9

Did you take them on a field trip to a vaccine lab?

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