Sir, we have an inmate control problem here.

But we have a phase three control problem with the research animals and a peripheral penetration in the main...

You got a control problem.

I have a problem trusting any of them, to be honest.

What is your methodology that allows you to so quickly and confidently say,

Lou Elizondo, no, and Grush. Because he's worked for the

government. Hey, pie, I'm hoping you can help me with another podcast episode. This one is with my

old buddy, Graham Dunlop. Oh yeah, Graham Dunlop. Host of Gramerica show?

Absolutely, I know him.

Here's the lowdown on this fascinating guy.

Hailing from Canada, Graham's journey began in the corporate world.

But after getting sober in 2008, he embarked on a transformative spiritual path.

Becoming a Reiki master and certified in addiction studies, he found his true calling

with the Gramerica show in 2013. Alongside co-host Darren Grimes, Graham explores fringe topics,

UFOs, and spirituality, cultivating a loyal fan base. His curiosity and quest for personal growth

shine through his work. When he's not

podcasting, you'll find him indulging in role-playing games, raising awareness and enjoying life with

his partner, Maria. In short, Graham Dunlop is a living example of personal transformation

and the power of pursuing one's passions. Yeah, you hit on a lot of key points. He's a super great guy. I've known him for a long time.

And you've maybe touched on some of the points that I wanted to bring out and the reason that I'm

having him on. I mean, just why two podcasters talking is I think we're at an interesting

place for this alt, alt, alt media that we're in in podcasting. And there's a couple

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