To understand the history we embody is to understand whose eyes we use to see, whose stories

and fantasies we inherit.

Colonization, along with its violence, is an altered looking.

The imposition of a story of entitlement.

This is an episode in part about the land of Hawai'i, but it's also about the struggle

for sovereignty.

It's about how we both imagine and destroy paradise, and the connection and intimacy available

when we begin with listening.

Our guest today is Jamaica Heioli Osorio, who is a Kanaka-Mali-Wahine artist, activist,

and professor of indigenous and native Hawaiian politics at UH Vanoa.

She is the author of Remembering Our Intimacies, Mo'olello, Lohaaina, and Aya.

She is also a friend, and takes us through a really deep and challenging, gorgeous exploration

of freedom and intimacy.

I hope you enjoyed this episode.

Jamaica First, I want to thank you for saying yes to being on this podcast, and I want

to welcome you to finding our way.

Thank you.

It was humbling to be invited and just stoked to be in conversation today.

I'm honestly so grateful.

I haven't talked to you in a long time, but as soon as I don't know if listeners know

about it, it lives in Hawai'i for some time.

My partner's family is from and is currently.

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