It is the kennel of the Casey Show. I'm Rob Casey's here. A lot going on to the state house.

Property taxes, of course, but a whole bunch more to find out the latest. Let's go to one of the best in the business.

You know her from the Indiana Capitol Chronicle. Nikki Kelly joins us now. Nikki Kelly, hello. Morning. So you guys had an article we talked about it at length a couple days ago, and I just thought it was fascinating the information you came up with

on just how much is spent on lobbying in the state of Indiana.

Yeah, almost 30 million last year.

And you got to remember last year wasn't even a budget year.

Yeah, you guys had the graph, and I thought it was funny because 23, there's kind of like a huge spike.

I mean, the numbers are all big, and you go, whoa, what happened that year?

It was a budget.

I mean, that's a staggering amount of money.

It is a massive amount of money.

I mean, it seems relatively consistent a little.

It's growing a little in recent years.

But, yeah, it's a massive amount of money that's going to, you know, try to push various industries. But I think we found that health care

and energy were the big spenders. The article was so well written. And I was surprised that you

were able to get so many

lawmakers to go on the record. And so a couple things stood out to me. And number one was like

the amount of time all of these people have been here. And I think like 23 years was the most

was the lowest amount. Some it was, you know, like 40, almost 45 years. And I don't know, man, you see

that and you go, it kind of just becomes like the status quo for these people. Like,

sometimes I feel like when you've been somewhere so long, the numbers didn't really seem to

mean anything to those people. And I think the average person sees those numbers and goes, yeah,

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