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The Business of Fashion Podcast

Allbirds’ Tim Brown on Learning to Lead With Resilience

The Business of Fashion Podcast

The Business of Fashion

Fashion & Beauty, Business, Arts

4.6770 Ratings

🗓️ 4 August 2023

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

The co-founder and chief innovation officer of the Nasdaq-listed sneaker brand reflects on how his previous career in sports prepared him professionally and personally for leading a company through both the highs and the lows. 

 

Background:


When Tim Brown stepped away from his role as co-chief executive at Allbirds in May, the footwear retailer that he co-founded seven years ago was losing its sheen as the sustainability-focused direct-to-consumer darling that once enraptured investors. Its first full-year results since its Nasdaq flotation in November 2021 revealed a series of setbacks, from a poorly executed expansion into adjacent products like apparel to losing relevance with its core customers, leading to net losses of $101.35 million. The testing of Allbirds’ team since the IPO has often seemed relentless yet, according to Brown, it’s an opportunity to draw on inner strengths to excel as a leader. 


“[R]ising and falling is just a part of the journey,” he wrote in a recent post on LinkedIn in which he also shared an article by a team of business reporters that laid bare Allbirds’ challenges. Rather than criticising the article, he said he saw it as a reminder that “you are never as good or as bad as they say you are (this helped me a lot during my football career), and that all of my best work has come when I've been written off.”


This week on The BoF Podcast, Brown speaks with BoF founder and editor-in-chief Imran Amed on how his journey from the football pitch to the corporate boardroom has shown him why leaders of young brands like him need to keep a resilient entrepreneurial mindset even in adversity.


Key Insights:


  • The football pitch served as a training ground to cope with “an even more pressurised environment as an entrepreneur,” Brown said. “Sport teaches you to trust the process and to hold a long-term view, knowing that in the fullness of time that hard work usually is rewarded,” he said.
  • Brown believes entrepreneurs need to find time to take stock, even if it means not working “100%” all of the time. “The most important thing that I've learned as an entrepreneur is not to confuse hard work with the right work.” he said. “You have the ability to maintain your focus on something for a longer period of time by just pulling back a little bit. And that space allows you the perspective to see something for what it is, which is a journey with steps forward and steps back.”
  • When reflecting on the setbacks Allbirds has faced in recent times, Brown said that instead of searching to understand what he could have done differently, he wants to look forward. The key now, he said, is “get really, really clear on the things that we do better than anyone is the process that we're in.”


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0:00.0

Hi, this is Imran Ahmed, founder and CEO of the Business of Fashion.

0:08.4

Welcome to the Bof podcast. It's Friday, August 4th.

0:12.2

I first met Tim Brown in the early days after he co-founded Allbirds.

0:16.9

We even recorded a podcast episode for our special series on entrepreneurship called Drive,

0:22.4

and he spoke at our BOF West event in Los Angeles in 2019.

0:27.2

I always found them to be very thoughtful and smart and really interesting to talk to.

0:32.9

So much has happened in the world since those days before COVID.

0:36.6

In November 2021, Allbirds went public, valuing the company at more than $4 billion.

0:43.6

But the business has recently faced a number of challenges, and as of this week, its market

0:48.6

capitalization has fallen to just north of $200 million.

0:53.6

A couple of months ago, I stumbled across a post that Tim shared on LinkedIn about how he

0:58.8

has been navigating through some of these challenges and the accompanying negative media

1:03.3

attention.

1:04.5

Here on the BOF podcast, we often focus on the highs of working in the fashion business.

1:09.8

This week, I sit down with Tim to learn how

1:12.6

he leads through some of the lows. Here's Tim Brown on the BOF podcast. Tim, welcome back to the

1:23.2

BOF podcast. It's been a few years since we had the opportunity to sit down and see each other.

1:29.3

There's lots of things that got in the way, not least of all COVID.

1:33.1

But your name popped up in my LinkedIn feed recently.

1:36.6

And it reminded me of the conversation that you and I had back in 2019, but also reminded me how much I enjoy having conversations with you because

1:46.9

you're very thoughtful about things. And I want to get to that LinkedIn post and why it

1:51.6

spurred me to get in touch with you again a bit later. But I want to just quickly catch up

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