From the opinion pages of the Wall Street Journal, this is All Things with Kim Strassel, a Potomac Watch podcast.

Welcome to All Things with Kim Strassel, our weekly opinion page podcast. And this week, in perfect time to discuss the ongoing fallout of that epic Oval Office meltdown between President Trump and Ukraine, President Blodomir Zelensky.

Is New York Congressman Mike Lawler, a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee?

Congressman welcomed you from the land of upstate New York.

Thanks for coming on.

Thanks for having me, Kim.

Appreciate it.

When it comes to Ukraine, I mostly want to talk to you about what comes next.

But just to get your take on what happened on Friday, my own view is that there was a lot of blame to go around.

Vice President Vance arguably should not have inserted himself into a meeting between two heads of state.

Zelensky absolutely should not have taken Vance's comment as a reason

to go off the topic of a minerals deal and into a full-fledged argument about future questions

of security assurances. And Trump probably should have just shut this down. But your own view

of how we got here. Well, I think it was extremely unfortunate and really did not serve anyone well except

Vladimir Putin because the failure to sign the agreement in that moment was a win for Putin.

And so, you know, from my vantage point, I think it is critically important that this get back

on track. I think

President Zelensky's tweet today was positive towards that end. But, you know, ultimately,

any of us who have been engaged in foreign policy know that sometimes there are strong disagreements,

even among allies and contentious conversations.

And oftentimes those take place behind closed doors.

And so you don't have this type of, obviously, media fiasco that then followed.

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