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Unchained

All Things Crypto Regulation With Jake Chervinsky - Ep.131

Unchained

Laura Shin

News, Tech News, Business News

4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 6 August 2019

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

Jake Chervinsky, general counsel at Compound, goes over a plethora of crypto regulatory issues, such as those related to securities law such as the SEC vs. Kik case, Ripple, stablecoins, no-action letters, Blockstack and more. We also discuss whether there should be one regulator for crypto matters in the US, whether it makes sense to create a new category for digital assets instead of applying laws for securities, commodities, etc., to digital tokens, and why he thinks Libra will likely not launch in its proposed form. He also gives his odds on a Bitcoin ETF being approved soon, talks about the tension between privacy and financial regulation and  reveals what he thinks is the biggest regulatory issue in DeFi that no one's talking about. Thank you to our sponsors! Crypto.com: https://www.crypto.com/ Kraken: https://www.kraken.com CipherTrace: http://ciphertrace.com/unchained Episode links:  Jake Chervinsky: https://twitter.com/jchervinsky Compound: https://compound.finance/ Unchained interview with Compound CEO Robert Leshner: https://unchainedpodcast.com/how-youll-earn-interest-on-your-crypto-with-compound-ep-82/  Unchained with Ted Livingston of Kik about its intention to fight the SEC in court: https://unchainedpodcast.com/kin-sets-up-5-million-defendcrypto-org-to-take-on-the-sec/ Kik's Wells response: https://www.kin.org/wells_response.pdf  SEC no-action letter to Quarters: https://www.coindesk.com/sec-clears-blockchain-gaming-startup-to-sell-quarters-tokens  SEC Commissioner Hester Peirce on the first no-action letter for a token: https://www.sec.gov/news/speech/peirce-how-we-howey-050919  Unconfirmed episode on Blockstack’s Reg A+ filing: https://unchainedpodcast.com/blockstacks-reg-a-filing-and-the-future-of-token-offerings%e2%80%8b/   Decrypt article on issues with issuing a token under Reg A+: https://decrypt.co/7839/blockstack-token-offering-historic-but-dance-with-sec-far-from-over  How much Ripple has sold recently: https://twitter.com/lawmaster/status/1154276254775947264?s=20 Jake’s tweet storm on the Libra hearings in Congress: https://twitter.com/jchervinsky/status/1151875713903005697?s=20 Jeremy Allaire’s testimony to Congress: https://www.banking.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Allaire%20Testimony%207-30-19.pdf Unchained interview with Jeremy Allaire on regulations: https://unchainedpodcast.com/jeremy-allaire-on-why-the-us-government-needs-a-new-category-for-digital-assets/ Push for new crypto regulations:  https://www.wsj.com/articles/lawmakers-push-for-new-bitcoin-rules-11562405401 Tax issues: https://fortune.com/2019/07/29/here-comes-the-irs-the-ledger/ Bitcoin ETF: https://twitter.com/jchervinsky/status/1111734963798458369?s=20  Jake’s tweet storm on Bakkt: https://twitter.com/jchervinsky/status/1059828623471972354?fbclid=IwAR259I8Q2NSNmQ_PEb6l__XatWhmqj9U8gocHRoeb-JXizviI9T62rMuQC8 The latest on Bakkt: https://www.coindesk.com/bakkt-is-supposed-to-start-testing-its-bitcoin-futures-contracts-today Sanctions coming to crypto: https://www.coindesk.com/get-ready-for-crypto-sanctions-enforcement  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hi everyone, welcome to Unchained, your no-hife resource for all things crypto.

0:08.0

I'm your host Laura Shin. In case you haven't heard, I have another crypto podcast called Unconfirmed.

0:14.0

It's shorter, news year and comes out Fridays.

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My guest today is Jake Jervinsky, General Counsel at Compound.

1:14.0

Welcome, Jake.

1:15.0

Hey Laura, thanks for having me.

1:17.0

You've become known on crypto Twitter for your incisive commentary on crypto legal and regulatory issues. How did you come to be involved in the

1:24.6

space? Great question. So I actually got interested in crypto mostly as a

1:30.7

personal passion back in I would say early 2017 and you know really didn't think I was

1:38.8

going to turn it into a profession or do any legal work in the space, but I was actually getting information myself about the

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