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'All The World Beside' explores a queer relationship in a 1700s Puritan community

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πŸ—“οΈ 11 April 2024

⏱️ 9 minutes

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Garrard Conley's memoir Boy Erased chronicled his upbringing as a Baptist preacher's son and his experience being sent to conversion therapy. His new novel, All The World Beside, explores similar themes of faith, love and queer identity β€” but through the lens of a relationship between two men in Puritan New England. In today's episode, Conley speaks with NPR's Ari Shapiro about how fiction allowed him to actually provide even more autobiographical details than a memoir, and how writing this book grounded him in his relationship to Christianity.

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0:00.0

Hey, it's Empire's Book of the Day. I'm Andrew Limbaugh. If you're raised deep in a faith tradition,

0:07.7

even if you stop actively practicing when you grow up, a lot of that tends to stick with you.

0:13.0

The author Garrett Conley knows that well. His father is a missionary Baptist preacher who doesn't approve of Connolly being gay to the point that Conley was actually sent to

0:21.8

conversion therapy. Conley has a whole memoir about that experience titled Boy Erased,

0:27.2

but his new book is a novel titled All the World Beside. It takes place in the 1700s and

0:32.5

is very much about the intersection of faith and sexuality. And in this interview with NPR's R. Shapiro, Conley rattles off Bible verses and name-check's

0:41.4

books, but it's not until the end when he really reveals where he's at in his faith journey.

0:47.4

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1:13.0

The author, Garrett Conley, has spent his life exploring the overlap between Christianity and

1:18.9

sexuality. His bestselling memoir, Boy Erased, was adapted into a 2018 film about undergoing

1:24.4

conversion therapy. I broke up with Chloe.

1:31.0

We broke up because I think it's true about me.

1:32.7

God help me.

1:34.7

I think about men.

1:38.8

His new book comes at similar themes from a very different angle.

1:42.7

All the World Beside is a novel set in the 1700s.

1:46.2

It's a story of forbidden love between two married men in a small Massachusetts town. Garrett Conley, welcome to all things considered. Thanks so much for

1:50.9

having me. The two men at the center of this story, Nathaniel and Arthur, are not just townspeople.

1:55.1

They are pillars of the community. Nathaniel is the minister who founded the town. Arthur is the

1:59.5

doctor. Why did you want to build

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