From the ACLU, I'm Molly Kaplan, Director of Multimedia at the ACLU, and your host for this episode.

President Trump's financial records and tax returns have been a recurring focal point since his election.

Both the Manhattan District Attorney and various House

committees are asking to see these records in order to conduct their investigations into potentially

unlawful behavior. But the president and his attorneys claim both that Congress is

overstepping its power in requesting that information and that the President of the United States

should be immune to such subpoena requests.

We now await decisions in two Supreme Court cases that could force President Trump's hand

and require his accounting firm and banks to turn over business records and financial disclosures.

Joining us today on the podcast to help break down the importance of these two cases is Steve Shapiro,

an ACLU legend and former

legal director who came out of retirement to co-author an amicus brief for one of these cases.

Steve, welcome to the podcast.

Thank you very much, Molly. It's great to be here, and it's great to hear your voice again.

Oh, it's great to hear your voice. As I mentioned in the intro, you worked at the ACLU as

the legal director from

1993 to 2016, but you actually joined in 1976. So you had quite the tenor. And I will say that

your legend lives on. People still talk about the breakfast that you used to give at staff

conferences, a very early morning sort of overview

of the Supreme Court that people still talk about, Steve, because you have such a way.

Well, and I still think about the ACLU on a regular basis, and as I have been watching it

from afar over the last three and a half years, I do have to say I am incredibly proud of the organization, the work the organization has done

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