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All the President’s Pardons

Reveal

The Center for Investigative Reporting and PRX

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4.78.7K Ratings

🗓️ 16 July 2022

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

When he was president, Donald Trump used the pardon power to help friends and political allies. Now we’ve learned from the Jan. 6 committee hearings that members of his inner circle asked for pardons to shield themselves from prosecution, before they were even charged with a crime. But what about the people who applied for pardons through the official process and are still waiting for answers? We go beyond the headlines and tell the story of a pardons system that’s completely broken down. 

We begin our show by looking at the rarest of pardons: when the person receiving a pardon is the president. When in office, Trump tweeted that he had the authority to pardon himself, a concept that first was discussed during the Nixon administration. In that case, former President Richard Nixon eventually was pardoned by the next president, Gerald Ford. In this story, we hear some rare archival tape in which Ford explains in his own words why he decided to pardon his predecessor.

In the next story, we look at the case of Charles “Duke” Tanner, a boxer who was sentenced to life in federal prison after being convicted of drug trafficking. His arrest came during the war on drugs, which started in the 1980s, disproportionately putting tens of thousands of Black men in prison for decades. Tanner applied for clemency twice; his application was just one among 13,000 others waiting for a decision at the federal Office of the Pardon Attorney when this show first aired in 2019. That number has grown to nearly 17,000 as of today. We end with a heartwarming update in the Tanner story.

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0:00.0

From the Center for Investigative Reporting in PRX, this is Reveal.

0:09.5

I'm Al Lezden.

0:11.0

The House Select Committee's investigation into the January 6th attack on the Capitol continues,

0:16.3

and so do the hearings.

0:18.5

Last months ended with stunning testimony

0:20.9

about what supporters of Donald Trump did behind the scenes

0:24.4

to try and overturn the 2020 election.

0:27.6

Some of them apparently knew they were breaking the law.

0:31.1

Ms. Hutchinson, did Rudy Giuliani ever suggest

0:34.4

that he was interested in receiving a presidential pardon

0:37.1

related to January 6th?

0:39.2

He did.

0:41.0

Giuliani and others allegedly asked President Trump to grant them pardons.

0:45.3

One of the people interviewed by investigators was Cassidy Hutchinson, a former aide to Trump's

0:50.8

chief of staff.

0:52.0

Did you hear that Mr. Trump at one point wanted to add language about pardoning those who took

0:56.9

part in the January 6th riot?

0:59.1

I did hear that, and I understand that Mr. Meadows was encouraging that language as well.

1:04.1

In all, witnesses told the committee that six Republican members of Congress, former White

1:09.8

House chief of staff, Mark Meadows, and other members of Trump, former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows,

1:11.9

and other members of Trump's inner circle asked for pardons to shield themselves from prosecution.

1:18.6

And they probably thought they stood a good chance of getting pardoned

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