All the Fascist's Men
The Next Level
The Bulwark
4.9 • 2.4K Ratings
🗓️ 23 October 2024
⏱️ 55 minutes
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Summary
This should be the October surprise, but the media seems incapable of treating it with the time and gravity the news requires. Meanwhile, Trump’s defenders claim Kelly to be a liar or minimize the disqualifying nature of the general’s testimony.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello everyone I'm J. V.L. here with my best friend Sarah Longwell and Tim Miller of the Bulwark. |
| 0:08.6 | Twelve hours ago Jeff Goldberg dropped a story in the Atlantic in which he ran through all of the Donald |
| 0:16.4 | Trump's greatest hits, but then also had a bunch of new stuff from John Kelly, who is out on the record and you know like this should be a |
| 0:27.4 | bombshell it should destroy the Trump campaign it should cause it should cause Kamala Harris to wind up with |
| 0:36.0 | 55% of the vote. Sarah hit me because I get the sense you're loaded for bear on this, and I want the full |
| 0:47.8 | magilla from you. |
| 0:48.8 | Yeah, let me just start by saying, normally, in a normal circumstance, this would be the October surprise. |
| 0:56.0 | Former chief of staff or a president comes out and said he routinely praised Hitler's generals, and this would come shortly after the president himself and said that he |
| 1:08.3 | wants to use the military against the enemy within meaning Americans who do not agree |
| 1:13.7 | with him politically this should be the whole ball game should be the whole |
| 1:16.3 | ball game but in our current circumstances the October surprise would be the |
| 1:21.1 | media giving this the seriousness, the gravity, and the longevity, |
| 1:26.8 | meaning this is not a one-day news story. It's not something we talk about for a |
| 1:30.0 | 12-hour news cycle. It's the kind of thing that explodes a campaign. a One is I already when I tweeted this story last night. |
| 1:43.2 | I immediately had sort of the Trump defending syncophants |
| 1:47.0 | in my comments saying, well, this is a lie. |
| 1:51.5 | You know, these have been debunked these are anonymously sourced and I responded |
| 1:55.7 | these are not anonymous on anonymously sport |
| 1:58.1 | John Kelly is on the record he's not just on the record in the Atlantic |
| 2:01.1 | he did recordings with the new York Times, which means John |
| 2:04.4 | Kelly is officially on a media tour with the information that he has about |
| 2:09.2 | Donald Trump, right? This is this is he John Kelly's taking it seriously not that he went with the New York Times and did recordings and he gave all this new information to Jeffrey Goldberg and one of the things that frustrates me about people saying, |
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