All’s Fair in Love and Roses with Chad Kultgen and Lizzy Pace from Game of Roses PART 1
The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast
iHeartPodcasts
3.8 • 14K Ratings
🗓️ 19 November 2025
⏱️ 42 minutes
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Summary
We all watch The Bachelor as if it were a professional sport, but Chad Kultgen and Lizzy Pace from the Game of Roses podcast and authors of "How To Win The Bachelor" take it to an entirely different level. They’re hanging out with Ben and Ashley and sharing their expert opinion on who “played” the game of The Bachelor the best.
They share their thoughts on how much impact producers should have on the decisions of the cast, and how much true “manipulation” can steer someone’s journey of love.
Plus, Chad reveals his personal connection to some people from Bachelor Nation!
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| 0:00.0 | This is an I-Heart podcast. |
| 0:02.6 | Guaranteed Human. |
| 0:04.7 | This is the Ben and Ashley I, |
| 0:06.4 | I almost famous podcast with IHartRadio. |
| 0:10.4 | It's Almost Famous Podcast, and well, today I'm here |
| 0:15.0 | with one of my favorite people in the world. |
| 0:16.5 | Ashley, hello. |
| 0:18.1 | Hi, Ben, so happy to have us back together. |
| 0:20.6 | That's nice. I enjoy it. I enjoy it us not for being together. It's too long. We have a really special episode today, Ashley. You want to tell everybody who we have on and why maybe? I think a little background to why they're here, like where, why this is now, could be interesting. Oh oh i'm so excited to have our guests on today |
| 0:39.6 | it is chad colchin and lizzie pace from the game of roses podcast and they're the authors |
| 0:47.2 | of how to win the bachelor which is something that teresa used that has kind of the golden |
| 0:53.4 | bachelor to possibly win the game. |
| 0:56.2 | Because your whole thing, guys, is that you think that The Bachelor is not fundamentally about love. |
| 1:01.3 | It is a sport. |
| 1:03.1 | That's correct. |
| 1:04.4 | Are you saying that you don't? |
| 1:07.8 | Listen, also, just off the top, I want to say this is an honor for us because both of you are two of the greatest players who've ever lived. |
| 1:15.4 | Ashley, obviously, you have revolutionized the tier play game. |
| 1:18.8 | That two-on-one date that you had in the bad lands against Kelsey Poe, maybe one of the most dangerous villains we've ever seen in our beloved game of all time. |
| 1:27.3 | And I think you know what I'm talking about. |
| 1:29.3 | Don't get me started. |
| 1:30.9 | He even sounds like you're an ESPN commentator right now. |
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