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The Rachel Maddow Show

'All over the files': Maddow names names of people in Trump's orbit in the Epstein files

The Rachel Maddow Show

Rachel Maddow, MS NOW

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4.435.4K Ratings

🗓️ 10 February 2026

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

Donald Trump is, of course, mentioned thousands of times in the Epstein files, as one would expect given his close relationship with notorious pedophile and sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein, but Trump's association with many of the names in those files did not end with Epstein's arrest, or even death. Rachel Maddow highlights some of the mentions that are oddly still enjoying impunity.

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0:00.0

Happy to have you here on MS now.

0:02.0

So who is in charge of the U.S. Navy?

0:06.6

Constitutionally speaking, as you know, we have civilian control of the Navy and of all the other

0:11.1

branches of the armed services.

0:14.1

So, you know, it's a civilian who's in charge of the U.S. Navy.

0:18.0

Do you know who the civilian is who Trump put in charge of the

0:22.0

Navy? One hint is that he's a man who never served in the Navy, never served in the military at all.

0:30.9

He has no known previous relationship of any kind with the Navy or with the U.S. military at all.

0:37.1

Indeed, he was not known to have ever even shown any interest in the Navy with the U.S. military at all. Indeed, he was not known to have ever

0:39.0

even shown any interest in the Navy or the U.S. military whatsoever before Donald Trump

0:44.5

made him Secretary of the Navy. Why did Donald Trump put this guy in charge of it? I don't

0:51.0

know. What the guy does know a lot about, what at least he is known

0:56.5

for in the world is his art collection. His name is John Phelan, P-H-E-L-A-N, Phelan, that's him on the left with

1:07.6

his wife. Mr. Phelan is an art collector and finance guy

1:11.9

who Donald Trump put in charge of the United States Navy

1:15.0

for some reason.

1:16.6

Now, is his art collecting itself,

1:20.1

perhaps Navy related?

1:21.5

Like is he into paintings of ships?

1:24.5

Or famous naval battles of the 19th century?

1:29.2

No, nothing like that.

1:31.5

In fact, it's kind of a funny story.

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