And of course the United States will not get into a shooting war with Ukraine, nor should we.

But Americans will pay a steep financial cost, and Putin has a very good shot of breaking up NATO as a result of this in ways that we can't imagine today.

You have the largest military buildup in Europe since the end of World War II.

How do you expect NATO to react?

You see that we did a lot of to withdraw our troops from various regions that are very close to Eastern European states.

We withdraw a lot of troops from Kaliningrad area and nobody even said

us thank you.

Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Muckrake podcast. I'm Jared Y. Saksden here with Nick

Hausman. I've got a big episode for you today. We're going to talk a little bit later with

Salon writer Amanda Marcott, who is the author of Troll Nation,

How the Right became Trump Worshipping Monsters, Set on Rad-Fucking Liberals, America and the Truth itself.

But before that, we are taping this on Monday, February 21st, just a little bit ago, Vladimir Putin, the dictator of Russia,

gave a long, rambling, bizarre public speech in which he announced that Russia was going to

recognize two breakaway regions in Ukraine and basically set out an ideological

path to invasion and possible war.

We're watching this thing unfold and it is developing by the minute.

But we need to talk about this because this is, it's a developing situation.

So I got to ask first off

nick what what's your take on this well my take i suppose is uh well i guess the question

that might have for you jared since you've studied a lot of history is um when's the last

time that nato started a war i mean started a war.

I mean, started war.

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