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Hey, what and welcome in.

I'm Doug Gottlieb, and you are listening to All Ball.

And I find our next guest, for our next couple of pods, to be perfect for, among other things, this time of year.

You know, one of the things that you're hearing, or you're actually seeing, as I'm watching highlights from the NBL, which, of course, you're going down to Australia and parts of New Zealand or some of these young

basketball players instead of playing college basketball or overtime elite or the G League

Ignite, they're taking their talents down there and using that as a prep to the NBA.

I find it fascinating to see so many avoiding the college experience.

Now, there's a lot that goes into the college experience.

There's a lot that goes into why I think college, athletics, college basketball in particular

is still incredibly valuable for so many, even the most talented athletes.

And the argument that, well, they're not getting

paid, that argument has been made moot. But why not bring on a guest who's experienced the life

of late bloomer athletically, a late bloomeromer in basketball who went through the college process

who played some in the NBA but really made it name for himself playing overseas and what

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