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Hey, welcome into the all-ball podcast. Chiboy Doug Gottlieb here. My man Steve Hawkins is gonna join us a long time

20 years he was a coach 17 years the head coach at Western Michigan

Well, it was relieved of his duties in March actually during or right before quarantine

He's gonna join us kind of reflect on his time getting to know the late great John Wooden and

What what his run was like at Western Michigan?

I want to give you a couple thoughts though on the last last dance

First thing is this can we stop with the Scotty Pippin was made to look bad

Scotty Pippin was actually I think made to look good

He was made to look like his contract was terrible. He was made to look like

He was a warrior at the end when they won the title and he was playing with the bad back

And that he was the one who had the class

class to say

Jerry

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