This won't be one of those episodes where we're doing like news the week and pop culture.

So even though your wife told you to prepare for this taping by watching the WAP video,

you don't have to do that. But we could talk about the content.

Just so you know, I mean, I am prepared. I just did like, I'm really excited.

That is McKay Coppins. He's a staff writer for The Atlantic.

And he is here on the show this episode to talk about politics, not so much Cardi B.

You're listening to It's Been a Minute. I'm Sam Sanders.

And well, folks, we are officially in it. There's a big election coming up very soon.

Joe Biden just picked Kamala Harris to be his running mate. There's a Democratic convention

and a Republican mention this month. And before you know it, in less than three months,

it'll be an election day or election week or election month.

Depending on how this whole voting while in a pandemic thing goes.

So we're going to talk today about Donald Trump and Joe Biden. Not just them,

but their strategies for winning the White House. This episode will examine with two of the best

political reporters around. How Trump and Biden have built up their bases. Who exactly their

bases are and what these coalitions tell us about November. We will start with Donald Trump

and his voters. McKay coppins covered Trump's campaign in 2016 and 2020. He's been following

the Republican Party for a long time. He actually wrote a book in 2015 all about the party's quest

to take back the White House. It's called The Wilderness. So clearly, McKay is the guy to go to

for answers about the GOP right now. And my biggest questions for McKay were about Donald Trump's

base. How was Trump thinking about that base and how does messages resonate with them and beyond them?

Trump really hasn't come up with any messages that resonate outside of his base. And

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