Isn't that funny though that like you say, when you have an aha experience, now you've left the church,

supposedly the Holy Ghost has also left, and you know, you have no ability to get any kind of

inspiration.

And yet I've had so many, I've had probably more experiences since I've left where I have really felt like there was some kind of divine intervention.

And I don't even care what that is.

But it's no different than when I was, I mean, I don't remember having huge experiences, faith and light. but I do remember having divine intervention.

And it's the same.

Yeah.

It hasn't changed at all.

And I, but now for some reason, I feel more warm and fuzzy when it happens because it

lets me know that it's about me and my relationship with nature

or the divine of whatever that is. And so I feel more grateful for it. Welcome to the podcast, everyone. My guest today you might recognize is another podcast host from the Mormon Discussions umbrella. It's Renee Stillman,

and she is the host of the, she became visible. Is that right? That's correct. What I've done with

other guests is like, give me your like two minute Mormon story. Okay. It's impossible, but yeah,

get the idea. That's perfect, Marty. Thank you.

Well, I'm so glad you invited me to be on your podcast because I think it's really important to

really let people know that you and I are under the umbrella of Mormon discussions. And we were,

we've been here since Bill opened it up to encourage more female voices.

And I'm just so honored to be a part of that whole umbrella.

I don't have a, I don't really have a big Mormon story.

I have more of a Methodist story because my family, my mom had seven siblings. There were eight kids in her family. They were just a good old

Midwest Methodist family. And so we grew up kind of doing the typical Christmas, Easter, occasional church.

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