Starting with the point of view that a man should be like a woman, then everything just falls

naturally from there. When we started doing our workshops, it was called celebrating men, satisfying

women, and just saying the name, women would have a reaction. What's there to celebrate? They're all

assholes. What we do to others, we do to ourselves.

Like one way to emasculate a man is to ignore them. Well, women do that with their own needs all the time.

We're exhausted and we ignore it and keep going. I love that emasculation has become a conversation because in 1991, when I gave it up, it was not.

It wasn't something people talked about, and especially it wasn't something to not do.

It was something to do.

I know that we've gotten our work done when nobody thinks everybody

loves Raymond is funny. Entire sitcom about emasculating a man, right?

Fuck the patriarchy. What do you think Claudia would say if she was alive right now

in our society and she heard a group of women outside of a congress hall screaming and

saying fuck the patriarchy that the abuse of power is a human characteristic it's not a male

characteristic Alison, it's been two years plus since you came on the podcast. And since then, I've been through a

personal death and rebirth. I know you have two. We killed the Wellness Force podcast and now the podcast,

which is perfect for you to be here for the second time on, is called Wellness and Wisdom,

which is really what I feel from your work. Uh, 2013 is when Queen's Code came out now the

audiobook. Why this grand space between the two? Like what what lit a fire in you to

and as you were recording it you were very emotional at certain points. What lit the fire for you

almost 10 years later to come out with the audiobook? Well, people have been asking for it for a

long time and I wouldn't let anybody else read it, right?

I'd done the audio of Keys the Kingdom because the meaning, the emphasis, right?

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