Let's talk with Heather de Bro's start now. This is a very special episode for so many reasons.

But today, my darling friend, she's an author, she's a podcast host, she's a coveted speaker,

a serial entrepreneur, personal branding expert, someone that I've known and loved and worked with for years and I've had on the show she's got a new book it's called

the Light Work she's also author of simply be she's unbelievable Jessica Swaric is here

Heather de Brome so happy to be in the house with you.

Oh person.

I first of all it's been too long since I've laid eyes on you.

Has it been a year?

Maybe longer.

Maybe longer.

How are you?

I've never been better.

Honestly.

You seem really good and it's funny I was saying the other day about myself that I was having a personal

renaissance. Yeah? And I feel like you and I are very aligned. Yes aligned in that way because I obviously were friends but also I've watched you on your

social have your own personal renaissance do you think that those things just happen to one? Is it a conscious decision that we've made or both?

No, I don't I think it's a well for I'll speak for myself. Okay. I think the Renaissance I mean maybe I guess you can choose but I think something has to push you to want to change your identity and

evolve and live life on new terms like identity and evolve

Live life on new terms like I went through a death and a rebirth that has then informed my renaissance if that makes sense Not a person's death. No, my own identity death. Yes. My own

personal identity death. Which is so fascinating to me because obviously you are

known or have been known as a branding company and you started simply being

podcasts and

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