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For those of you who aren't familiar, do you want to just speak a bit as to how you met the Pontial?

And just how did that come about for you and I know a lot of people are

curious about your story Kevin sure I met the Ponty back in 2016 but I've been an

experience or you know since well my mission began in the year 2014 when I had an

interdimensional craft fly over my house, August 21st, 2014.

But I knew what that, you know, that I had a particular mission on this timeline and that was my calling

card and i found out only in their last recent years the ponti confirmed that that craft

that flew over my place was in fact a ponti ship explained to me so you called them ponti

they were not the first Star Nation to discover me.

It was the Zalohu Xedas who are like seven feet tall like the Ponty.

They looked like the Ponty, but they're seven feet tall.

They have been following my family lineage for 250 years.

So, and that's, I got that confirmation from Newall when I, when I was visiting Sue two years ago.

So, yeah.

So does that, is that, does that indicate that your family has had intergenerational contact, or are you the first one that actually

had conscious contact, even though they've been aware of your family for a long time?

I personally don't know many people in my family lineage who have had contact, but the significance

is my grandmother had spent a decade doing research on

our family lineage.

And our family, on my mother's side, we are direct descendants of General de Graix,

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