We are live now on the Conversations That Matter Podcast. Welcome everyone who's streaming.

Sorry we're a few minutes late. That's probably fashionable though because I know many of

you came on and you're waiting with

baited breath for what you're about to listen to and I'm actually very curious

about this myself we have a guest today Gary, who is the president of Creation Ministries International.

He's been speaking on the topics of creation evolution and extraterrestrial life since 1990. And he made a great documentary on this topic a few years ago.

I actually saw it in theaters, it's called Alien Intrusion and you can go to alien intrusion.com still and see that if you're

interested in it. It's a really well-made just wonderful documentary. He also has a book that accompanies that movie if you're more of a reader. I think the book was written first and I've read that as well and I just thought with the new cycle we need to get Gary on to talk about this because he knows a lot more than me

So if you're curious after this interview and you want to know more then check out alien intrusion dot com and you can find out more. Alien Intrusion. And you can find out more.

But without further ado, welcome Gary.

Thank you for joining him.

How are you?

Good to talk to you.

Very good.

I debated to myself how to approach this.

There's a number of ways to approach this topic,

and I thought the first thing to mention probably

is to acknowledge, because I've already gotten pushed back

a little bit, that there are people out there who say this topic doesn't

matter at all it's just a big distraction from other political things which maybe

that is the case you seem to think though that it's important and why is that why do you think this is an

important topic enough to write a book about? Well let me let me give you a bit of a

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