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From KQED.

Welcome to Forum. I'm Alexis Madrigal.

Sheepenis is an institution in a world where institutions have crumbled.

For decades now, this restaurant has stood for something special and important in the world of food and beyond.

For Bay Area people, this is part of the legacy that we are inheriting.

And of course, Alice Waters, the

motive force behind Chez Panisse, has extended her ideas about food far beyond Shattuck in Berkeley.

She has built the Edible School Yard Program and now has a book out arguing for a revolution

in school lunch. And she joins us this morning. Welcome, Alice. Thank you so much. It's so good to have you. We're going to talk about school lunch. We're going to talk about the power that you see latent there to change our food system. But first, you have to indulge me. I talked with Ruth Rachel a few years ago about the beginning of Chez Panisse. So let's listen for a minute.

And then I just want you to take me back to that moment.

Our generation, the people living in Berkeley, we had stopped the war in Vietnam.

And we were really proud of that.

And we sort of looked around for what is the next frontier?

What are we going to do now?

And food was sitting there as honorable work as we were aware of things like climate change.

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