Alice Munro’s Fall from Grace
Critics at Large | The New Yorker
The New Yorker
4.4 • 678 Ratings
🗓️ 18 July 2024
⏱️ 50 minutes
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Summary
In an essay published earlier this month, Andrea Skinner, the daughter of the lauded writer Alice Munro, detailed the sexual abuse she suffered as a child at the hands of Munro’s second husband, Gerald Fremlin. The piece goes on to describe how, even after Skinner told her of the abuse, years later, Munro chose to stay with him until his death, in 2013. On this episode of Critics at Large, Vinson Cunningham, Naomi Fry, and Alexandra Schwartz discuss the revelations, which have raised familiar questions about what to do when beloved artists are found to have done unforgivable things. They’re joined by fellow staff writer Jiayang Fan, an avid reader of Munro’s work who’s been grappling with the news in real time. Together they revisit the 1993 story “Vandals,” which contains unsettling parallels to the scenario that played out in the Munro home. Have the years since the #MeToo movement given us more nuanced ways of addressing these flare-ups than full-out cancellation? “It’s not a moral loosening that I’m sensing,” Schwartz says. “It’s more of a sense of, Maybe I don’t want to throw out the work altogether—but I do need to wrestle.”
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“My Stepfather Sexually Abused Me When I Was a Child. My Mother, Alice Munro, Chose to Stay with Him,” by Andrea Skinner (The Toronto Star)
“Vandals,” by Alice Munro (The New Yorker)
“How My Mother and I Became Chinese Propaganda,” by Jiayang Fan (The New Yorker)
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Critics at Large, a podcast from The New Yorker. |
| 0:07.5 | I'm Vincent Cunningham. |
| 0:08.5 | I'm Alex Schwartz. |
| 0:09.6 | And I'm Nomi Fry. |
| 0:13.5 | Each week on this show, we make sense of what's happening in the culture right now and how we got here. |
| 0:19.1 | Hi, guys. |
| 0:19.8 | Hi. |
| 0:20.1 | Hello. |
| 0:20.7 | Hello. Hello. |
| 0:23.6 | Last week, we had, you know, the bucolic and serene discussion of nature documentaries. |
| 0:33.1 | If you haven't listened, yeah, dear listeners, please do so. |
| 0:37.2 | Today we have a bit of a heavier topic or a much heavier topic. |
| 0:41.4 | And we felt like we really had to bring this to the pod. |
| 0:45.2 | The news of the hour, Alice Monroe. |
| 0:48.3 | There are shockwaves across Canada after revelations from Alice Monroe's daughter |
| 0:53.4 | about sexual abuse she endured at the hands of her stepfather. |
| 0:58.1 | Despite that, the Nobel-winning author stayed with her husband. |
| 1:02.3 | So Alice Monroe, for those of our listeners who aren't familiar, celebrated short story writer, much lauded Nobel Prize awarded, |
| 1:16.2 | died earlier this year in May in good old age, Obitz from here to the moon and back. |
| 1:24.7 | But then earlier this month, her adult daughter, Andrea Skinner, came forward with a harrowing story. |
| 1:32.1 | She says that for years, starting when she was nine years old, Monroe's second husband sexually abused her. |
| 1:40.8 | And that when she did eventually tell her mom, Alice Monroe, about it, when she was in her 20s, Monroe chose to stay with that husband until his death in 2013. |
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