So, Professor, why don't you give us the cliff notes of how you got to where you are in your research,

so your worldview or, as I say, your biological Velton Shaun on this channel?

The Velton Shaun is a word I like very much.

We can get to that.

I grew up in Madrid, and there are very difficult times. We had to that. I grew up in Madrid and under very difficult times. We had a dictator

living. It was a very difficult society. There was not a lot of culture. My parent was

journalists and we had books at home. And it was a time, and I think this will explain something

to you, that

where you learned rather than being taught. I mean, practically any books that you could pick up,

that's where you learned, because there was not, the university was very busy with a lot of social

unrest and a lot of protests like they are now with other issues, but we had that issues then.

And I came across biology as one of the great and very interesting mysteries.

I was very, very interested in, I had seen some pictures in magazines about embryos, human

embryos that fascinated me, and I wonder where that was coming from.

How old were you at that point? About 13, 14.

I was quite interested in this.

And I started studying biology in the university because I was interested in this.

As I said, at that time, the teaching was not very interesting.

We were interrupted.

We had a lot of interruptions.

But two books came into my hands that I think were very fascinating to me.

One, it's Chance and Necessity by Jacques Monot.

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