Alexandre Pantoja on Joshua Van, Demetrious Johnson GOAT debate, losing in training
The Herd with Colin Cowherd
iHeartPodcasts and The Volume
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🗓️ 6 December 2025
⏱️ 16 minutes
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Alexandre Pantoja IS BACK on the Daniel Cormier Check-In series, this time in his fifth title defense, this time against up-and-coming star Joshua Van! Pantoja reflects on his wins over Brandon Moreno, Kai Kara-France, Kai Asakura and Steve Erceg, and why this challenge may well be his MOST DIFFICULT challenge to date. Alexandre gives Van flowers for his confidence and fighting skill this early into his MMA and UFC career and says HE KNEW Van would be his next fight after the victory over Kai Kara-France. Plus, DC talks to Pantoja about the GOAT debate in the flyweight division, and how he's on his way to rivaling the great Demetrious Johnson if he can keep stringing wins together late in his career. #Volume
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