Alexander Burns and Jonathan Martin

Impolitic with John Heilemann

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News, Politics

4.8 • 4.2K Ratings

🗓️ 10 May 2022

⏱️ 81 minutes

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John Heilemann talks with Alexander Burns and Jonathan Martin, national political correspondents for the New York Times, political analysts for CNN, and authors of the newsmaking account of the 2020 election This Will Not Pass: Trump, Biden, and the Battle for America’s Future. Heilemann, Burns, and Martin discuss revelations in their book about the chaotic days following the attack on the US Capitol on January 6, 2021, including secret audio recordings of House minority leader Kevin McCarthy telling colleagues that he planned to urge President Trump to resign; the depth of the private disdain for Trump among other GOP stalwarts such as Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell; why the moment in which Republicans seemed determined to purge Trump from the party proved so fleeting; how President Biden's ambitions to be the next FDR or LBJ blinded him to his own team's warnings of the political peril he faced due to inflation, immigration, and crime; the thinly veiled rivalry between Biden and President Obama; the tenuous relationship between Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris, and its potential implications for the 2024 Democratic ticket. They also unpack the stunning leak of a draft opinion suggesting that Supreme Court is on the verge of overturning Roe v. Wade, and what it might mean for this year's midterm elections — and beyond.

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0:00.0	Hey everyone, John Heilman here and welcome to Hell in High Water.
0:17.4	My podcast for the recount about politics and culture on the edge of Armageddon with
0:21.3	big ups to my pal Rizza, the presiding genius behind the sound of Wu Teng Clan, and the
0:25.3	producer of Art Dope, The Music.
0:27.2	And I am here again this week with my long-term, long-term, long-term, long-term, long-term,
0:28.8	with my long-time partner in crime, but new additions to the introductory section of the
0:33.6	podcast, Grace Weinstein, the face, voice, spirit, heart and soul of the recount.
0:39.6	Grace, how are you doing today?
0:40.8	Hello, hello, I'm doing well, a beautiful day in New York City.
0:43.8	How are you?
0:44.6	I'm great.
0:45.6	I'm going to give you an episode this week to lift.
0:47.6	Well, I don't know if about Lift Your Spirits.
0:49.5	It might depress you about the future of our great democracy, but this book by Jonathan
0:54.6	Martin and Alexander Burns, two esteemed, excellent top of the field political reporters
1:00.3	of the New York Times.
1:01.3	It's called, This Will Not Pass, Trump Biden in the Battle for America's Future.
1:05.6	I always enjoy when authors manage to whip up a frenzy about their book before it comes
1:10.8	out.
1:11.8	This book, sort of the Amazon bestseller lists weeks before, it was even released.
1:15.6	And boy, the noise that was created about this book, largely because they had these tapes.
1:21.8	Lordy, Lordy, there are tapes.
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