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no bull and the aftermath.

Ukraine remains at the top of the list and the reason that Ukraine remains at the top of

the list, almost more important than, you know, minus domestic issues, is Ukraine is an

enormous enabler for Russian power.

I think we can bundle through with a status quo with China in this kind of current relationship,

there's a coalescing of views with our allies on the kinds of threats, China poses, China

at times recognizes that it's a certain this has been counterproductive and you could

model through.

But to lose Ukraine right now would be in a lot of ways a geopolitical game changer because

of this whole notion and I think the Zigny Przensky kind of said it best is Russia with Ukraine

automatically becomes a geopolitical power and empire.

I'm Benjamin Widis and this is the LawFair podcast April 9th 2021.

Tensions are heating up between Russia and Ukraine, seven years after the seizure by the

Russians of the Crimean Peninsula and the incursions into Eastern Ukraine.

There have been troop movements, there's been a certain amount of saber rattling, is Vladimir

Putin trying to send a message to Joe Biden, is he trying to satisfy domestic constituencies

or distract them, is he trying to send a message to Ukrainian President Zelensky, what's

going on here to talk about it all, I asked Alexander Vindman to join me in the virtual

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