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And Empire joining us for the first time is Alex Creel of Thinking Coalition, which is pro-liberty, anti-totalitarianism.

And he highlights and questions the overreach of Anglospherephere governments. Welcome to Geoponics and Empire, Alex. Thank you. Pleasure to be here. It's, you know, I've been following your work for a while and been meeting to get you on. And then you send me a message and, you know, the synchronicity, it's funny it's it's cool so i very much enjoy your work i was

catching up to some of your interviews that you've given to uh panda uh deling pole doc malick shout out to malick

he's been a guest on the podcast and i've been on his podcast and for people who are not familiar

with you and your work if you could just you know whatever you want to tell us about. Who is Alex Creel and what is thinking coalition?

Yeah, I mean, it's, it started in 2020, uh, when I started looking at the figures, uh,

for COVID from the Diamond Princess, which is the cruise ship that sort of docked in Japan.

And it was immediately obvious from those figures that the, the Diamond Princess, which is the cruise ship that sort of docked in Japan. And it was immediately obvious from those figures that the whole modeling premise of the panic

of COVID-19 was wrong.

And a guy called Professor Levitt came up with similar numbers saying, look, this is completely

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