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How's your Odyssey going? Have you ever called your life an Odyssey? How about a

liminal odyssey? If you're wondering what a liminal odyssey is, I have the

perfect guest on today to share all about it from her recent released book. the Her name is Sandy Hart. She's an award-winning leader in the fields of women's empowerment and interfaith community building.

She founded the Women's Interfaith International Grassroots Organization, Sarah, the Spiritual and Religious Alliance for Hope, the morning of 9-11.

An instinct to gather women of diverse faces, faith to protect all that they consider

sacred. Now is in its 20th year. She founded

and served as Director of Charter for Compassioned Women and Girls

Sector, served as chair for the United

Religion's Initiative for North America and serves on the

women's task force for the Parliament of World's

religions. She is also the founder of compassionate California.

Sandy is currently being inducted into the women's

oral history library of Claremont Colleges. Welcome, Sandy.

Thank you for having me, Theresa. I'm delighted to be here. Well, let's talk about

liminal and Odyssey. What is a liminal odyssey? You know, liminal is first of all, let's just say what everyone's thinking. It's a clunky new word and a lot of people don't know what the word means.

Liminal literally means threshold. It means the place between here and there, the place

between crisis and action, delimit and choice, or, and it's scalable it can mean a evolutionary growth spurt that we are in right now as a human

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