Welcome to Just Between Us, the podcast with all of the answers, some of the time.

A bit of a different thing going on this week.

You've been immature and you've lied.

And now you're trying to turn it on me and manipulate me and gaslight me.

I was trying to manipulate you.

Diana, you would be chucking their clothes out of the window.

I know, I'd be like, are you joking?

I don't know. I guess you'd have to ask.

Someone that has sex.

Someone that has sex.

And remember, it's just between us.

Welcome to the History Extra podcast, fascinating historical conversations from the makers of BBC History Magazine.

Alcatraz is remembered as one of history's most hardcore prisons, known for its ingenious escape attempts, grueling regime, barren location and dangerous inmates.

On today's Everything You Want to Know episode, historian Ashley Rubin answers listener questions

on the rock, from how the prison withstood the corruption of the gangster era, to its

famous Birdman. Putting the questions to Ashley was Rebecca Franks.

Thank you very much for joining me on today's episode of the History Extra podcast.

We're going to be talking about Alcatraz.

Can we start with the most basic of questions?

What is Alcatraz?

Sure. So USP Alcatraz or US Penitentiary Alcatraz is the now defunct federal prison that was in use between 1934 and 1963. And it was charged

withholding the nation's top public enemies and incorrigible offenders. Those are actually the terms they used, and especially

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