I knew this is where comedy was Johnny Carson changed my life twice. It was just like

a dream. It was just like everything I had worked for and dreamed about has come to fruition.

They said Johnny fell over laughing. It makes me so happy. I made him laugh.

But with Johnny, you know you knew you had a kid or what he interviewed. Really don't

know. I put the curtain on how broken back stage people were running up and to go back

out. Johnny want you back. I walked back to the curtain very calm and Johnny that I took

about and Johnny put that little circle up at the finger and I knew I had a ride.

Welcome to the Carson podcast episode number 373. I am Mark Malkoff. This week's guest

is producer Albert Fisher. He talks about working with Carson and Ed McMahon. His five

years at the Murph Riffin Show, stories about Richard Pryor, Lucille Ball and Jonathan

Winters, the 1962 New York World's Fair and so much more. Albert Fisher spoke to me

from California. Enjoy. Albert Fisher, thanks for talking with us. My pleasure, Mark.

So in 1962, you were working at the Seattle World's Fair and that's a whole different

story about how you get there. You're 20, right? At the time, 20 years old. That's correct.

So you're there and you're with Murph Riffin and you spend the entire day with him taking

him around the fairgrounds and you didn't know who he was. No, that's absolutely true.

I had never heard of the guy. My job at the fair was head of television for the fair and

it was not only to help with TV shows that were originating at the fair but to take different

celebrities and camera crews and all around. And that was the summer in 1962 when Jack

Parr had left the tonight show and Johnny Carson had been signed to come on the tonight

show. But during that summer, they had a number of substitute hosts for the show and Murph

Riffin was at the time on NBC doing a game show called Play Your Hunch and NBC decided,

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