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Music Well, welcome declassified club members, secret squirrels, to this incredibly special bonus episode on the rest is classified.

And you all, of course, know that we only bring you the best guests on the Declassified Club, which is why we are interviewing another podcaster from our

friendly goalhanger stable. Welcome, Alistair Campbell, to the Declassified Club.

David Gordon, it's lovely to be here. I still

resent that you said I was the lookalike to Mr. Progogian. I am far better looking. I have more

hair. You're alive. You're still alive. I've not been dropped out of a window in an aeroplane yet. Didn't leave a mercenary

mutiny. No, no. But anyway. Okay, I'm glad you've forgiven us enough, Alistair. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was, I actually thought it was an interesting observation. We haven't got Alistair on from

our sister politics podcast to talk about Progogan. We've got him here because, as listeners

will know, we've started our big series on Iraq and weapons of mass destruction. And we wanted to

speak to a man who was quite literally in the room where it happened as director of communications

for then Prime Minister Tony Blair, who was present at some of those key transatlantic moments that we talk about,

including talking to President Bush, Dick Cheney, other characters, including British spies.

We know this isn't necessarily your favourite subject to talk about, Alistair, so thanks for coming on.

Pleasure. This is a pleasure.

It's interesting talking about Iraq now, because for so many years it was so politically heated, wasn't it?

And it was hard to talk about it with any distance.

Got a bit more distance now.

But it's also reflected through the lens of recent events.

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