Emmo Clue, Emow Clue, Emow Clue. It's the Friday Rewind and it's one of my favourite episodes

and conversations I've ever had. It's been referenced so much. It's a decade old. It was in October

2015. This is a decade old. This is my chat with Akala and we got proper into it. Yeah,

I think you're going to enjoy it. I think

we're going to have a wonderful time. It gets deep. He speaks about some stuff that has stuck with me

since then and remains really important in my opinion. It gives a real good history lesson to me

and hopefully to you guys. So yeah, this is an amazing chat, particularly where the world has gone in the last decade.

This is an important chat.

So even if you've heard it before, I recommend tuning in, sticking around.

Right, let's go.

This is my chat from 2015.

We have a carla.

This base of fiction is the intro to destruction. Dean or with Akala.

And that's it. I've got any big start or intro to the intro to the structure. So I'm joined by Akala. How you doing, man? I'm not too bad at all. Yourself? I'm good. I'm good. And this has been one that both of us have had requests for a while. So it's good to put this on. And thanks for taking the time. As people have been, I mess with me about it, each time I'm like, yeah, yeah, we'll get around to it. Oh, you know, you always have a long list, a lot of requests. And then I just keep seeing you doing more and more interviews and just killing it and more more bits on shows. So I was like, it feels we need to make this happen now. So I'm pleased to get here. You've just got back from Zimbabwe. I have indeed. I literally came back yesterday morning. I had a show and what, a spoken word event in Birmingham last night. Nice. And then I had a workshop I was doing in East London today with a kind of young, actually a group of female artists, women actors poets writers singers um that was really

interesting but yeah i got back from zimbabwe at 5 a m yesterday morning damn and what were you doing

in zimbabwe were you working were you yeah i was working so i it was like actually it was it was

like a scoping visit for a long potential long term collaboration with my company, the hip-hop Shakespeare company,

and local organisations out there via the British Council.

It's one of the most distinctive and exciting things about what you're doing specifically

is, I mean, we'll get onto all of it, but you're doing a lot of stuff in the arts that

you're crossing over hip-hop, you're crossing over spoken word theatre, all sorts of performance. But what's really exciting is how much of it is

translatable outside of the UK. So going and looking in Africa, going and looking in, in the

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