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From the Ted Audio Collective, this is Design Matters with Debbie Milman.

For 17 years, Debbie Milman has been talking with designers and other creative people about what they do,

how they got to beat who they are, and what they're thinking about and working on.

On November 10th, 2021, at the Brooklyn Academy of Music, in front of a live audience, Debbie spoke with artist and political

Gatfly Iwayway. They talked about his family, his art, and his new memoir, 1,000 years of joy and sorrow.

That's coming up after the break.

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I understand that you're quite a good blackjack player.

I used to be good. One, I was pretty poor. I was pretty good.

I found out that on blackjackchamp.com, you are regarded in gambling circles as a top tier professional player.

Well, I used that to relax myself and also kill sometimes.

It's pretty strange if you're traveling, you go to a city, nobody, and you're staying at a very strange hotel.

And sometimes you think about gambling.

Iwayway, you're remarkable new memoir, 1,000 years of joy and sorrows, is a century long epic tale of China, told through the story of your family.

And you begin the book by recounting the events that occurred on April 3, 2011, as you were about to fly out of Beijing's capital airport.

There was a storm, a swarm of police descended on you, put a hood over your head, and imprisoned you in a detention center.

For the next 81 days, no one knew where you were, or if you were even alive.

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