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Optimist Economy
Kathryn Anne Edwards and Robin Rauzi
4.9 • 829 Ratings
🗓️ 22 April 2025
⏱️ 46 minutes
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Summary
A recent article in the Washington Post proposed that U.S. labor data has just started to show the bite artificial intelligence is taking out of U.S. jobs – in this case, for computer programmers. Is AI going to cause mass joblessness? Silicon Valley bros seem to think so. Journalists seem to think so. So what’s with economist Kathryn Edwards' ho-hum reaction? The long view: The United States has seen lots of technological progress over time, but technology has been the most villainized since 1980—also the era of declining worker power. It’s our gutted worker protections that make periods of technological transition so painful.
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More than a quarter of computer-programming jobs just vanished. What happened? [The Washington Post]
Majority of U.S. adults think AI will eliminate jobs over next two decades, but experts’ views are more mixed [Pew Research Center]
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to Optimist Economy. |
| 0:05.1 | I'm Catherine. |
| 0:06.3 | I'm Robin. |
| 0:07.6 | On this show, we believe the U.S. economy can be better and we talk about how to get there one problem and solution at a time. |
| 0:24.0 | So this is a big week for us here at Optimist Economy. |
| 0:25.3 | Huge week. |
| 0:26.8 | Huge week. |
| 0:29.5 | Yeah, we went live with our first episode. |
| 0:33.3 | So I feel like this episode that we're doing now is like time travel. Like we're talking in the future to the people who are listening to something we recorded in the past. |
| 0:40.0 | Yes, it's very, I mean, I don't want to go too deep on a Christopher Nolan type timeline for our listeners. |
| 0:46.3 | But yes, when we're recording this, it is probably a month after we have gone live, but it's the first episode we're recording since having posted the show. |
| 0:54.9 | And I had a friend asked me why we recorded so many episodes before we posted them. And I was like, |
| 1:03.8 | I don't know, I was just hella nervous. And I needed to feel like I could actually do this a few |
| 1:09.3 | times before we put it out in the world. |
| 1:12.5 | Like it wasn't a total disaster. |
| 1:14.6 | I think that it made not just us more comfortable to have a few in the bag. |
| 1:20.8 | I think for me anyway, it was also useful for us to go through the whole process of editing it and having Sophie produce it. |
| 1:29.5 | It just made us understand what the whole process was going to be like before we made everything |
| 1:35.0 | live. Do you want to talk about any of the letters you got or the notes that came in or |
| 1:41.5 | responses? As I put out of my cutouts, I mean, the very first reaction we got was my husband put into a |
| 1:49.7 | group text, the first episode. |
| 1:52.4 | Of course, I'm on the group text, and someone wrote back, in this economy, and then, you know, |
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