AI Should Fear Justine Bateman

Fail Better with David Duchovny

Grace Cohen-Chen

Society & Culture

4.6 • 534 Ratings

🗓️ 10 June 2025

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

I’ve known for years that the actor and filmmaker Justine Bateman had prescient thoughts about art and society. But now, we need her (and her complementary background in computer science) more than ever. Far-removed from her teen stardom on Family Ties, Justine and I talk about how artificial intelligence threatens the existence of movies, books, and even our creative souls. I knew there was something to opting for privacy, and it turns out that Justine specifically sees it as a way to protect art as we know it. Plus, we discuss how fickle fame can be and why she finds beauty and practicality in aging naturally. Fail Better is now on YouTube! Watch this episode here. Follow me on Instagram at @davidduchovny. Find more video podcasts on our YouTube channel. Stay up to date with Lemonada on X, Facebook and Instagram at @LemonadaMedia. Joining Lemonada Premium is a great way to support our shows and get bonus content. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. For a list of current sponsors and discount codes for this and every other Lemonada show, go to lemonadamedia.com/sponsors. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	It's morning in New York.
0:02.8	Oh, God.
0:06.2	Hey, everybody.
0:07.3	I'm Mandy Patinkin.
0:08.7	And I'm Catherine Grady.
0:09.8	And we have a new podcast.
0:11.7	It's called Don't Listen to Us.
0:14.1	Many of you've asked for our advice.
0:16.1	Tell me, what is wrong with you people?
0:19.2	Don't listen to us.
0:20.3	Our Take It or Leave a Device show every Wednesday out now.
0:24.7	A Lemonada Media Original.
0:43.8	I'm David Dukovny, and this is Fail Better, a show where failure, not success, shapes who we are.
0:47.7	Justine Bateman is a filmmaker, author, and former third grader.
0:57.3	She rose to fame at a young age, playing Mallory Keaton in the 1980s sitcom Family Ties and received Emmy and Golden Globe nominations.
1:04.8	A few years ago, Justine made her directorial debut with a film called Violet, which is about grappling with fear and self-doubt.
1:06.5	Topics will discuss today.
1:14.9	As a vocal advocate for natural aging, Justine promotes self-acceptance, challenging both society and Hollywood's standards.
1:21.9	She wrote about this in her most recent book, FACE, which delves into the cultural and psychological aspects of growing older.
1:25.3	The previous book, Fame, dissects that topic at length.
1:34.4	Your movie that I'm in,
1:37.6	called Feel,
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