The pain signals are just informing the robot about what should be avoided.

Pain is just an invention of nature in biological beings, of evolution,

which invented this pain sensor thing for animals such that they have an incentive to learn to avoid the pain.

And we have done that for many, many decades in our learning machines.

The chemicals that are used in brains to encode certain states of fear or of love and whatever,

they are different from what we are using in our artificial brains.

But the principles must be the same.

And then it's self-aware. It's self-aware.

In this sense that, for example, if it looks in the mirror, it will quickly figure out, oh, the guy in the mirror,

I can control what this guy does. If I do this, then he will do the symmetric thing, because I have it under control.

But if you are there on the other side of the room and I do this and you will do something that's completely unrelated, I cannot predict them. So there you already see this concept of agency which is immediately recognized as self-agency

or the agency of another guy. Within five years you are going to lose $900 billion.

Somebody is going to lose $900 billion in the near future because there

is no business model. Nobody has a business model to recuperate all these losses. How much better can

AI models get from here? And what does their increasing smarts say about our brains and existence

itself? We'll talk about it with AI pioneer and someone that the Guardian has called the father of AI,

Yergen Schmidt-Huber, right after this.

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