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The Times Tech Podcast

AI Now's Rashida Richardson: "Free-range facial recognition"

The Times Tech Podcast

Will Morley

Business, Unknown, Technology

4.9654 Ratings

🗓️ 15 June 2020

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

The Sunday Times’ tech correspondent Danny Fortson brings on Rashida Richardson, head of policy research at AI Now, to talk about tech’s pang of conscience about facial recognition technology (3:40), predictive policing (5:20), the problem with the technology (8:15), how pervasive it is (11:30), the laws (13:40), the visceral effect of this technology (18:00), how AI is seeping into law enforcement (20:25), the data problem (25:20), whether this moment will lead to a crackdown (27:05), if a ban is realistic (29:25), and the race to the bottom (33:45).

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0:00.0

Yo, technology.

0:03.0

What is it all about?

0:04.0

I don't know of any other industry, airline, pharmaceutical, where we allow for real-time

0:11.0

experimentation on human populations, which essentially is what's happening with facial recognition.

0:20.0

Hello and welcome to Danny in the Valley. Yes, it's me again. As promised, we wanted to bring

0:26.2

you another conversation that was really right in the mix of everything that's been going on

0:29.7

these last couple weeks. And one of the big issues that has emerged amidst all this,

0:37.1

the chaos and the protests and everything else is facial

0:40.7

recognition technology questions about how it's being developed how it's being used especially

0:46.3

by the government by the police etc border patrols and this sudden effort that is just bubbled up

0:53.4

to regulate it.

0:54.3

So you may have seen the last week, IBM announced it was shutting down its facial recognition business.

1:00.1

Amazon said it was suspending the sale of technology to police forces for a year, all of which is the idea is, you know, this is very potentially very powerful.

1:10.1

We need to have a firm regulatory

1:12.7

framework in place to make sure it is not used for ill. And in the meantime, the Congress has

1:19.6

proposed some new, pretty flimsy rules to be included in these proposals to reform policing.

1:25.5

That will also put some some some limitations on facial recognition

1:30.6

into how it is used. So all of a sudden, this debate that's been simmering in the background

1:35.6

has been brought to the front burner. And I thought who better to bring on to talk about it

1:41.8

than Rashida Richardson.

1:49.1

Rashida is the director of policy research at AI Now in New York, an organization that investigates and tries to help guide how AI is being developed, deployed, regulated out in the

1:55.0

wild.

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