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Afford Anything | Make Smart Money Choices

AI, Layoffs, and the Future of Your Career — with Dr. Ben Zweig (Part 1 of 2)

Afford Anything | Make Smart Money Choices

Paula Pant | Cumulus Podcast Network

Entrepreneurship, Investing, Business

4.73.6K Ratings

🗓️ 27 February 2026

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

#693: AI learns your job in weeks … and you start wondering if you still have one. That question shapes our conversation with Dr. Ben Zweig, CEO of Revelio Labs, a workforce data company that uses AI to build large employment databases and study labor market shifts. He also teaches a class on The Future of Work at NYU Stern School of Business. He holds a PhD in economics from CUNY Graduate Center. Dr. Zweig starts with the legend of John Henry, the steel driver who raced a steam drill and lost his life trying to prove that a human could still beat a machine. The story mirrors the Luddites, who smashed looms when automation threatened their work. The fear of technology replacing workers is a theme throughout history. It keeps repeating. And yet, this time it feels different. You hear how today’s panic fits into a longer pattern. Sixty percent of current jobs did not exist a century ago. Even jobs that kept the same name changed completely. Dr. Zweig describes his father tabulating punch cards as a statistician, while he now builds neural networks. Same field. Different tasks. We break down what a job actually means. A job is a bundle of tasks. You execute tasks, but you also orchestrate them – deciding order, workflow and coordination. AI tends to automate the most granular tasks first. Broader, abstract orchestration proves harder to replace. Dr. Zweig argues that “augmentation” often just means partial automation that frees you to focus on what remains. The discussion turns to empathy-driven roles, such as rabbis, psychologists, and teachers. Dr. Zweig cites traits such as empathy, presence, opinion, creativity and hope as distinctly human. He notes AI still struggles with memory and long-term relational trust. You also hear what this means if you are early in your career. Hiring has slowed. Entry-level roles appear more exposed to automation. Dr. Zweig says younger workers often lack orchestration experience and face a risk-averse market. He says that to be competitive in today’s job market, you should take ownership of complex projects from start to finish. Show people – through networking and demonstrated work – that you can manage more than just tasks . Resource: Job Architecture: Building a Language for Workforce Intelligence by Ben Zweig For more information, visit the full show notes at https://affordanything.com/episode693 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

So if you haven't seen the headlines yet, there's this company called Block. It's the company

0:03.6

behind Square and Cash App and After Pay. It just announced that it's laying off 4,000 employees.

0:09.4

That's roughly 40% of its workforce. It's going to go from over 10,000 employees down to

0:15.5

under 6,000. With this news comes the question, is this a harbinger of things to come?

0:22.6

Will we all be unemployed?

0:24.7

And that question itself is a subset of a much bigger question, which is, what is the future of work?

0:32.0

To answer that, we brought in the guy who teaches a class called The Future of Work at NYU Stern School of Business.

0:40.3

His name is Dr. Ben Zwegg, and he's the CEO of Ravellio Labs, which is a workforce data company

0:46.4

that uses AI to build big employment databases and track shifts in the labor market in real time.

0:54.0

So his company analyzes millions of job

0:57.3

postings and analyzes employee records to see what's actually changing in the world of hiring.

1:04.1

Dr. Zweig holds a PhD in economics from the CUNY Graduate Center and he is the author of

1:09.4

job architecture, which is a book that

1:11.9

traces how we structured work in the first place, from the founders of Wall Street to early

1:18.9

management consultants to modern data scientists who are trying to make sense of the labor market.

1:23.7

So he, in that book, he argues that many of the systems around how we work were built

1:30.1

for a different era. And AI is really exposing that. And of course, that's going to influence the

1:36.3

future of work. So today's episode is part one of two. In today's episode, we are going to talk

1:43.4

about which jobs are most vulnerable to automation. we are going to talk about which jobs are most vulnerable to automation.

1:47.5

We're going to talk about how in particular this affects younger workers, why hiring has really

1:52.5

slowed for younger workers. And we're going to discuss what skills matter in the era in which

1:59.0

AI can execute many, many tasks faster than humans can.

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