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and let's build something together. Welcome to Big Technology Podcast, a show for cool-headed,

and nuanced conversation of the tech world and beyond. There are a lot of rumors flying in the

AI industry, a lot of narratives flying in the AI industry. And what better way to attack these

than to look at the actual data and separate the fact from fiction? Well, we're going to do it today.

We're going to talk, of course,

about how much companies are spending for employee on AI and whether token maxing is a thing,

but we're also going to get into the news of the week, which is whether the White House's

Fable 5 ban effectively putting export controls on Anthropics model will have a long-term damage

looking at what happened the last time

Anthropic had a dust up with the Department of Defense. We're joined by Eric Karazian. He is the lead

economist at Ramp. He's publishing some great stuff at the Ramp Economics Lab. I've been a reader of

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