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AI, drones, and smartphones: How Ukraine changed warfare

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🗓️ 12 February 2024

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

Cheap drones, robots and AI have all shaped the conduct of the war in Ukraine. Ahead of its second anniversary on 24th February, Manveen talks to eminent war historian, Sir Lawrence Freedman, about how war will never be the same again.

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Guest: Sir Lawrence Freedman, Emeritus Professor of War Studies, King’s College London.

Host: Manveen Rana.

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As we approach the second anniversary of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the war is locked in an ongoing stalemate. This time last year hopes were high in Ukraine that its military could

1:27.1

press home the advantage it had gained that autumn.

1:31.8

That hasn't happened and the front line has barely moved.

1:37.0

With a war in Europe and now another raging in the Middle East, the world has rarely looked so unstable.

1:49.0

People are comparing it to the 1930s and the run-up to the Second World War.

1:55.0

Given all the uncertainty, questions are being raised here in Britain

2:01.0

about whether we'd even be ready to fight a war.

2:05.0

We are in this country absolutely not ready.

2:08.0

Our military is a shadow itself.

2:10.0

Now, against all the odds, though, is the time to start talking thinking the unthinkable

2:15.4

and really having to think quite carefully about conscription if we're to deliver

2:18.7

the numbers needed.

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