Please welcome the New York Times, Ezra Klein, and MS Now's Chris Hayes.

Hello, everyone. I'm Chris. This is Ezra. We're going to be speaking about an incredibly overlooked bespoke topic today. It's called artificial intelligence, often abbreviated as AI. It is strange how ubiquitous the topic has become and how quickly ubiquitous it's become.

And the dynamics right now, I think from the perspective political economy and politics are both

incredibly fascinating and incredibly fraught. The polling suggests that people are, there is a genuine

backlash that's brewing. You're seeing it both in

quantitative data in polling, but also in individual fights over data centers, particularly

where this has been channeled. At the same time, a shocking percentage of U.S. capital expenditure

business investment and the driver of GDP growth is located in a relatively small

few hands that are controlling what is the largest at this point percentage of GDP investment

the country's probably ever seen, even surpassing the numbers of the railroad buildout

in the late 19th century, which was the previous record holder. And amidst this, a real question about what the two parties, what the political collisions

and what the political positions, both from a political standpoint and from a governing

standpoint, uh, are calling for. And so we thought we would try to just solve all that in the

next 28 minutes and 34 seconds. I guess my first question

to you is like, what's your, I do think there's a real jump ball now. I saw Ron DeSantis today

posted on X a poll that showed people overwhelmingly opposed to data centers. And he has been

clearly kind of making some noises around being a sort of AI skeptic.

How do you read the politics of it broadly?

So I think the politics of it are bad on a bunch of different levels for everybody.

I'm going to pull DeSantis to the side, as I often try to do in life.

And just like start with one big principle,

like the main thing that I want to come here today and say, which is that what AI is and whether

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