AI and the Future of Law School (Nick Hafen) (Ep. 452)
Thinking LSAT
Nathan Fox and Ben Olson
4.8 • 868 Ratings
🗓️ 29 April 2024
⏱️ 68 minutes
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Summary
Ben and Nathan chat with Nick Hafen, the Head of Legal Technology Education at BYU Law. They discuss what law students should know about leveraging generative AI tools like ChatGPT in law school and beyond. The guys also review a tip for managing test anxiety, and they explain why they don’t diagram in Logical Reasoning.
0:43 - Generative AI - Nick explains some generative AI basics that law students should know. The guys discuss how the technology might impact lawyers’ jobs.
8:57 - AI and Law School - Law schools are still deciding how to incorporate AI into their curriculums. Students shouldn’t rely on their professors to teach them everything they need to know.
17:39 - Getting Started with AI - Nick suggests a simple Google search to start learning about generative AI. Ben and Nathan encourage listeners to experiment with new use cases.
24:49 - Nick’s Career - Nick outlines his career path from big law, to solo practice, to working at BYU.
32:19 - BYU Admissions - The guys look at BYU’s admissions and scholarship data using LSAT Demon’s Tuition Roll Call.
39:29 - Nick’s LSAT Story - Nick shares the story of his nerve-racking experience taking the LSAT in person while studying abroad.
43:44 - Word of the Week - Whoever invented Halo Top should be defenestrated.
46:17 - Pearls vs. Turds - Listener Henry provides a tip for boosting confidence on test day.
52:25 - Don’t Diagram in LR - Nathan and Ben explain why diagramming conditional statements in Logical Reasoning can be more harmful than helpful.
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | If teachers are giving you rules for when you can and can't use AI tools, you have to take ownership |
| 0:06.8 | of your own learning, your own training, right? Hello and welcome to episode 452 of the Thinking El-Sat Podcast. I'm Ben Olson with me as Nathan Fox. We're the co-founder of |
| 0:25.0 | Elsat demon.com and the Elsat demon daily podcast. Today we have special |
| 0:29.8 | guest Nick Hayfin from BYU Law School. We'll get into Nick's background in a little bit. |
| 0:36.4 | If you want to be El-Sat famous you can share news and ask questions on our website that's |
| 0:41.1 | thinking El-Sat.com. So Nick let's talk to you. You reached out to us. You're the head of legal technology |
| 0:49.8 | education at BYU law. You lead the development of the law school's legal |
| 0:55.6 | technology curriculum. You have apparently designed and taught a course on AI and law presented on AI at legal conferences and drafted |
| 1:06.4 | Gen AI I'm assuming that's generative AI use policies for law school courses. |
| 1:14.5 | You got your JD at BYU and you practice bankruptcy and corporate law |
| 1:18.9 | in private practice before going to the law school |
| 1:22.4 | or joining the law school. |
| 1:23.4 | Anything else we should add to that so our listeners know a little bit more about you? |
| 1:29.8 | No, that sounds good. I mean we may get get into more background later, but I think that's a good place to start. |
| 1:37.0 | Great. Well, yeah, so tell us what motivated you to reach out to us what do you what what's the I guess the main |
| 1:47.3 | message you want to send to our listeners who are mainly people, you know, considering law school. |
| 1:55.0 | Some people are in law school, but the vast majority are debating whether they want to go to law school. |
| 2:00.0 | They're trying to get ready for the L-SAT. |
| 2:02.0 | They're applying to law school. Yeah. I had put together |
| 2:07.0 | some tips, like what law students should know about generative AI before they start their summer jobs. |
| 2:13.6 | And I thought that that might be useful for pre-law students as well, right? |
| 2:17.8 | People have talked a lot about how generative AI is disrupting the legal industry maybe more than other technologies have in the past. |
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