Okay, I'm so excited to be talking about this right now. Good evening. I'm so thrilled. I've like been anxious all day because I've been so excited to talk to you about this topic. Just to kind of set the scene here, this is Caro speaking and you are Katie. I am Katie.

You are Katie. And we basically have developed like a voice memo friendship over the last few months and then we

realized that we should start just recording our conversations about shit we care about.

And so we are talking today about the one and only ballerina farm.

Pregnant pause.

Yeah, I'm so excited because I have been just balls deep in this topic for six months now. I saw

today that the Daily Mail quoted me and they did a quote for me and then they went,

Carol Claire Burke raged online. Okay. But I'm so excited because I know that you've addressed

this before and we've actually talked about this on your official podcast, but you haven't been like living and breathing this the way I have,

so I'm so eager to hear your experience reading this profile and how your thoughts have changed

around all of this. Well, Caroline, you know, it's interesting because before I read the profile, I didn't actually know that much about her.

I mean, I knew about the stove because everyone knows about the stove.

And I knew that her father-in-law founded JetBlue.

What I didn't know was that she is Charlie Kirk's favorite influencer.

Shut up. I did not know that. Oh, wow. Am I revealing something to you that, wow, this is huge in the first

one minute, no less. Yeah, I saw a screen grab that I want to say Sarah Peterson shared. She shared a screen grab from like a Turning Point USA Charlie Kirk newsletter that was like, look at this family living out their values. Give them a follow. And it was tagged agriculture, culture wars. And that really sums it up. Whenever we talk about tradwives, I think there is a small but

mighty contingent of, ah, who cares type folks that kind of respond to the discourse. And I think that

the fact that you have some of the most despicable alt-right

commentators driving traffic to their page because it's basically a public relations campaign for

like the nuclear white family, that's why it matters. And that's why we're talking about it.

100%. So the reason why I was asking you about this is because we're not going to do, I should also say, like, we talked about this and we're not going to do like this isn't the 101. This is going to be the 505 on Ballerino Farm. So if anyone's listening to this and they want like the deep dive 101, we can link a few great explainers because a lot of people have talked about it, but we are

going to be kind of doing like the higher level conversations here. But I will just reference that

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