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Agony and ecstasy: the lives of mystics

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🗓️ 31 January 2025

⏱️ 31 minutes

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From medieval mystic Julian of Norwich to countercultural figures of the 1960s, various individuals down the centuries have felt they have access to spiritual forces beyond human understanding. But what drives these transcendent – and often ecstatic – sensations? And how were people with a deep connection to the divine regarded by wider society? In today's episode, philosopher and author Simon Critchley speaks to Charlotte Hodgman about his new book On Mysticism: The Experience of Ecstasy. (Ad) Simon Critchley is the author of On Mysticism: The Experience of Ecstasy (Profile Books, 2024). Buy it now from Amazon: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mysticism-Experience-Ecstasy-Simon-Critchley/dp/1800816936/?tag=bbchistory045-21&ascsubtag=historyextra-social-histboty. The HistoryExtra podcast is produced by the team behind BBC History Magazine. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Welcome to the History Extra podcast, fascinating historical conversations from the makers of BBC History magazine.

0:43.5

From medieval mystic Julian of Norwich to countercultural figures of the 1960s, across history, various individuals have felt that they have access to spiritual forces beyond human understanding.

1:00.1

But what drives these transcendent and often ecstatic sensations?

1:05.9

And how are people with a deep connection to the divine, regarded by wider society.

1:12.0

In today's episode, philosopher and author Simon Critchley speaks to Charlotte Hodgman

1:17.6

about his new book, On Mysticism, The Experience of Ecstasy.

1:23.3

Pat's first of all just to set the scene for listeners.

1:26.2

How would you actually explain

1:27.5

what mysticism is? A short definition given by a woman called Evelyn Underhill, who was very

1:34.7

famous in the early 20th century. She wrote a book in 1911 called mysticism, and she defines it as

1:42.1

experience in its most intense form. So it's a kind of experiential

1:47.0

intensity of being lifted up and outside yourself into an experience of ecstasy. There are

1:55.0

much more sort of complex ways of defining it. But that's a neat, short definition.

2:00.0

And is it exclusively a neat, short definition.

2:03.6

And is it exclusively a religious experience?

2:10.7

No. It is an experience which we can associate historically with religion.

2:15.8

I think it's a tendency within religion. It's not a religion. Sometimes people think of mysticism as its own thing.

2:18.3

Mysticism is a tendency within religion, and every religion that I'm aware of that I can think of has a mystical tendency.

2:26.3

And so to that extent, for as long as there have been humans, there's been religion, and there's been something like mysticism at the core of that.

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