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Hey everyone, I'm Jonathan Cape Part and welcome to Cape Up.

Renown philanthropist and art collector Aggie Gunn stunned the art world when she sold masterpiece

in 1962 painting by Roy Liktenstein for $165 million in July.

Not because she sold it, but what she used the money for.

With the help of Ford Foundation President Darren Walker,

Gunn used $100 million of the proceeds

to start the Art for Justice Fund to combat mass incarceration.

And you can hear Gunn and Walker talk about why that painting and why that issue right now.

Agi Gunn, Darren Walker,

thank you very, very much for being on the podcast.

This is really special.

Thank you.

I'd like seeing you again.

I saw you a number of years ago, but now I only see you on programs and announcing things

and I don't get to see personally so it's especially nice.

And it was really fun because we were road tripping to a dinner party in Virginia, but, and that was a dinner party focused around art and that's why we are here today.

I want to talk to you about a work by Roy Lichtin Stein from 1962 called

Masterpiece.

What spoke to you about that work?

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