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🗓️ 24 September 2020
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She was a top Soviet spy and a colonel in the Red Army, who had plotted to kill Hitler and sent secrets from the British atomic bomb programme to Stalin. So how did Agent Sonya - or Mrs Burton to her neighbours - evade MI5 for so long?
Guests:
Ben Macintyre, associate editor and columnist, The Times, and author of Agent Sonya: Lover, Mother, Soldier, Spy.
Rosa Ellis, interactive journalist, The Times and The Sunday Times.
Host: David Aaronovitch.
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0:00.0 | This is a passenger announcement. You can now book your train on Uber and get 10% back in credits to spend on Uber eats. |
0:11.0 | So you can order your own fries instead of eating everyone else's. |
0:15.0 | Trains, now on Uber. T's and C's apply. Check the Uber app. We all know about Philby, McClain, Burgess and Blunt. But there's one Soviet spy |
0:31.2 | as important as any of them who very few of us have even heard of. |
0:36.2 | There she was with her three children, she baked extremely good scones, as far as anyone was concerned |
0:41.0 | she was a perfectly ordinary citizen. |
0:43.7 | In the privy in the back garden, she installed a powerful radio transmitter |
0:48.4 | with which she was communicating with Moscow. |
0:51.6 | The last thing that MI5 wanted to believe was that they had an active |
0:54.8 | spy in the Cotswolds. |
0:59.5 | To her family she was Ursula Kuchinsky. To her neighbours Mrs Burton and to the Soviet |
1:05.8 | Intelligence Services Agent Sonia, Colonel in the Red Army and her story is one of |
1:12.4 | the most fascinating of all. |
1:14.0 | We tend to look at history increasingly these days as a kind of monochrome moral accounting, |
1:20.0 | good, bad, who, hurrah, you know, these people were good, these people were bad, and actually history is much more complicated and much more interesting |
1:27.1 | than that. |
1:28.1 | You're listening to stories of our times from the Times and the Sunday Times. |
1:32.2 | I'm David Ronovich. Today, Red Sonia, the |
1:36.4 | Kotzwald Super Spy. I'm Ben McIntyre, I am Associate Editor and a columnist on The Times, but at the same time I write books about |
1:57.3 | Espionage. |
1:58.3 | Ben McIntyre has written for The Times for 25 years reporting from New York, Paris and Washington, but before journalism |
2:06.2 | a far more discreet profession beckoned. |
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